Hiruzen Sarutobi Vs Orochimaru Sub Indo
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In a battle of attrition I think Kakashi would win. Hiruzen of Part 1 could only use And And then everyone knows he's getting close to running out of chakra He even finds his weapon heavy Finally he created 2 KBs and as a last jutsu used the death god technique. Kakashi's stamina at this point is above that(albeit not by much) and he has the elemental advantage(as Nidaime did). His taijutsu could be equal or possibly higher(scans support this) but he's probably just below if Enma comes into play(not enough to be a game decider though( I honestly see Hiruzen crumbling similar to how he did against Orochimaru. EDIT: People think Hiruzen 'Fought evenly' with Orochimaru, Nidaime and Shodaime? Go reread the fight, Orochimaru talked to him the entire time(while Hiruzen recovered stamina) and played with him defensively the entire time. Nidaime used 2 jutsu(only 1 offensive), and Shodaime used 1 that crippled him.
At this point Orochimaru could've used anything to just finish him off, including the offensive jutsu Nidaime used, or any combination of snake jutsu. Or another mokuton. Hiruzen 'fighting equally' with Orochimaru in Pt 1 is laughable. Hiruzen wins.
Part I Kakashi isn't on Hiruzen's level. Kakashi's only high level jutsu from part I is chidori, but he won't be able to land a hit.
Hiruzen is better at ninjutsu, and has shown better range. He also has better taijutsu. With Enma in staff form, Kakashi would be decimated in CQC. Enma can also defend Hiruzen by making a cage around him, and can fend Kakashi off by himself. Part I Kakashi hasn't shown anything that can really defeat Hiruzen. I don't like using DB stats as an argument, but it shows that Hiruzen is superior in almost all aspects of the ninja. Without Kamui, Kakashi cannot defeat the Sandaime Hokage.
Click to expand.Chidori can very easily put down Hiruzen, if his old age doesn't get to him first, keep in mind he was already tanking after 2 jutsu. In terms of 'stopping power' i'd put my money on chidori before i'd put it on Sandaime's sub-par taijutsu showing and a katon that can easily be dodged or avoided using doton. Also direct manga canon shows that Kakashi is superior in almost all aspects of the ninja. Taijutsu keeping up with Zabuza, ninjutsu and genjutsu trumping Zabuza, and the ability to fight an extended battle(not very extended, but longer than Sandaime).
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